Wednesday, June 10, 2026

Killed to Order: The Road from Dehumanization to Expendable – DTH Episode 319 with Jan Jekielek

Send Wilk a text with your feedback! (incoming msgs only - I can't reply) (https://www.buzzsprout.com/969574/fan_mail/new) Jan Jekielek spent years as a human rights worker before becoming a journalist — and the story he couldn't stop following eventually became Killed to Order, a New York Times bestselling investigation into China's forced organ harvesting industry. In this conversation, Jan and Wilk focus on a question at the center of both the book and the show: what does dehumanization actually produce when it's allowed to run all the way to its logical end?  Jan explains how the Chinese Communist Party has refined what he calls a "black class" system over decades — a machinery of mass propaganda designed to strip targeted groups of their humanity in the public mind, making atrocity not just possible but rational-seeming within the regime's logic. Falun Gong practitioners, who numbered in the tens of millions and practiced truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance, became the primary target — and eventually the primary supply for an organ harvesting system that operates like an industry.  One detail from this conversation will stay with you: in China, a wealthy transplant recipient can be matched with a compatible organ in roughly two weeks. In the United States, the wait is months to years. The difference is what powers that system. Jan walks through exactly how it works — and what the evidence looks like after two decades of documentation.  This isn't a political episode. It's a human one. Find the book at KilledtoOrder.com and Jan's long-form show at The Epoch Times. The world is a better place if we are better people. That begins with each of us as individuals. Be kind to one another. Be grateful for all you’ve got. Make every day the day that you want it to be! Please follow The Derate The Hate podcast on: Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/DerateTheHate) , Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/derate_the_hate/) , Twitter(X) (https://twitter.com/deratethehate) ,  YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DerateTheHate)   Subscribe to us wherever you enjoy your audio or from our site. Please leave us a rating and feedback on Apple podcasts or other platforms. You can share your thoughts or request Wilk for a speaking engagement on our contact page: DerateTheHate.com/Contact (https://deratethehate.com/contact) The Derate The Hate podcast is proudly produced in collaboration with Braver Angels — America’s largest grassroots, cross-partisan organization working toward civic renewal and bridging partisan divides. Learn more: BraverAngels.org (https://braverangels.org) Welcome to the Derate The Hate Podcast! *The views expressed by Wilk, his guest hosts &/or guests on the Derate The Hate podcast are their own and should not be attributed to any organization they may otherwise be affiliated with.