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Understanding Extremism, Community, and January 6 Through the Lens of Homegrown
When filmmaker Michael Premo reached out to share his latest documentary, I wasn’t prepared for how deeply it would stay with me.
Homegrown isn’t a film about abstract ideologies or distant extremists—it’s a deeply human portrait of three ordinary Americans drawn into the Proud Boys movement during one of the most fractured periods in our nation’s history.
In this episode, we explore what happens when grievance, belonging, and identity collide with political outrage—and why understanding those forces matters if we care about the future of American democracy.
âś… The real origins of Homegrown and why Premo began filming years before January 6
✅ How extremism is often fueled by community and belonging—not ideology alone
âś… Why January 6 was planned in public, not in secret
âś… The difference between true believers and outrage grifters
âś… How polarization rewards the loudest and ugliest voices
âś… Why no political movement is a monolith
âś… What happens when moral clarity is overtaken by grievance culture
✅ Why toxic “us vs. them” thinking is the real threat to democracy
Homegrown follows:
A father-to-be in New Jersey
A Latino Navy veteran from Texas
An Air Force veteran organizing in New York City
As their paths converge toward January 6, the film captures both the chaos inside the Capitol and the quieter, more unsettling moments outside the lens—where ordinary people wrestle with meaning, loyalty, and identity.
The film premiered at the Venice Film Festival, won a duPont-Columbia Award, and continues to spark critical conversations across the country.
Film Website: https://homegrown.film
Storyline Media: https://www.storyline.media
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/storylinemedia
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoOxyJoLDFihUIxfT9Ffzbg
Michael and his team also encourage community screenings and small-group discussions as a way to move beyond outrage and into honest dialogue.
Extremism doesn’t grow in a vacuum.
It grows where belonging is offered without accountability…
where outrage is rewarded…
and where listening stops.
This episode isn’t about excusing behavior—it’s about understanding it well enough to stop repeating it.
The world is a better place if we are better people. That begins with each of us as individuals. Be kind to one another. Be grateful for all you’ve got. Make every day the day that you want it to be!
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[00:00:00:00] Wilk Wilkinson: Every movement tells a story about who belongs and who doesn't. In this episode, I sit down with filmmaker Michael Primo, whose new documentary homegrown follows three everyday Americans drawn into the Proud Boys long before January 6th. This isn't about excusing extremism. It's about understanding how community, grievance and belonging can pull ordinary people into extraordinary moments. And what that says about the country that we're becoming. Welcome back, my friends, for the Derate the Hate podcast. I'm your host, Wilk Wilkinson, your blue collar sage calming outrage and helping to navigate a world divided by fog and those who would spread that fear, outrage and grievance. The Derate the Hate podcast is proudly produced in collaboration with Braver Angels , America's largest grassroots cross. partisan organization working towards civic renewal. This podcast amplifies the mission that we share to foster a more respectful and united America where civic friendship thrives even when we disagree. Each week, through the power of story, conversation, and connection with incredible guests, we work to build bridges instead of barriers, not to change minds on the issues, but to change how we see one another when we differ. Because friends, it really is about bettering the world one attitude at a time. We did not create the hate, but together we can Derate the Hate. So be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Share it with a friend and visit BraverAngels.org to learn how you can get involved in the movement to bridge the partisan divide. Friends, I am so incredibly grateful that you have joined me for another powerful Derate the Hate episode. So let's get to it. Today's conversation is one that stayed with me long after the microphones were turned off. I'm joined by Michael Primo, an award winning journalist and filmmaker with Storyline Media, whose latest film, homegrown, premiered at the Venice Film Festival and recently won a DuPont Columbia Award, one of the most prestigious honors in broadcast journalism in home Grown. Michael and his team spent years embedded with three men involved in the Proud Boys, a father to be in new Jersey, a Latino Navy veteran from Texas and an Air Force veteran organizing in New York City. Tracking their journeys before, during, and after the events of January 6th. What struck me most is that this film refuses to flatten people into caricatures. It doesn't traffic in cheap outrage and easy villains. Instead, it forces us to confront something more uncomfortable. How often extreme isn't isn't driven by ideology first, but by the human hunger for belonging, purpose, and some type of community. We talk about grievance, grifters, outrage, entrepreneurs, and the chaos of January 6th as it unfolded in real time. And why toxic polarization, not left or right, is the real disease. Eating away at our beloved country? This is not an easy topic, but it's an important one. Let's get into it with my friend Michael Primo. Here we go. Michael Premo, thank you for joining me on the Derate the Hate podcast. It's great to see you again today, my friend.
[00:04:00:06] Michael Premo: Yeah. Thanks, Wilk. It's a pleasure to be here. Yeah.
[00:04:03:22] Wilk Wilkinson: So we met not too terribly long ago when you had, reached out to to introduce me to a film that, that you and and the storyline media, have made. And I've got to tell you and I'm, and I'm going to share it with the, share it with the audience here. But I've got to tell you that this movie, after watching it, it just hit me in a way that I didn't really expect it would. And and it's it's one of those things that as an American and somebody who very much considers myself a patriot, somebody who absolutely loves my country. When I watch this movie, Michael, I. It was it was it was like one of those things that and this is just for me. But it was one of those things that that you see it and then you can't unsee it. And it just continues to kind of rattle around in your brain for a while. But then there was another part of me that said, oh my God, I gotta go take a shower. I mean, I gotta be honest, and that's not a bad thing for about the film, but the content of the film just made me feel different. And so why don't you. Why don't you tell me? Okay, well, first let me do this. Let me do this because the this the the movie is called homegrown. And just for context, for the listeners, the movie is about you kind of entrenching yourself or following around three members of the Proud Boys from several months, maybe even a couple of years before the event on January 6th to shortly after, January 6th, the riots and the events of January 6th, 2021. And then so so with that being the context, Michael, why don't you go ahead and tell me what the what was the genesis of this idea for you and, and your wife to, to make this movie with storyline, media?
[00:06:29:20] Michael Premo: So, the original idea was kind of kicking our around in our head around 2016, 2017, 2018 as we just, you know, saw the the vitriol of the national discourse, just like the temperatures just kept rising and rising and, we wanted to know what people were fighting for and why they were fighting for what they claim to be fighting for. We just wanted to better understand, and we were particularly interested, in people who increasingly said that, you know, violence might be the only way to solve our problems right now. And so we set out to understand what was driving people, what was motivating people to sort of get out from in front of their keyboards and like, get into the streets and, go to these rallies and events. And, you know, what we found was an increasing number of people, many of whom were kind of losing faith in democracy. They they no longer saw it as something that was, serving their interests or, something that wasn't fully captured, by these corporate elites. And we wanted to better understand sort of how they making sense of their world. And that led us on this, this journey where we filed about a dozen people across the country who were all sort of, sort of call to action in this moment, so to speak. And it wasn't actually until we got to edit that, we had to make kind of hard, choices about who was in the final film. But the final people that ended up in the film, we felt, were broadly representative of different types of people that we had met. Over the 4 or 5 years of making the film.
[00:08:05:00] Wilk Wilkinson: And that's that's one of the questions that I was going to ask you, Michael, because, when I look at the three, you know, people that you, you chose to, to follow in the film, and I was that was one of the things that I was going to ask is, do you think that they were kind of broadly representative of, of that mindset? I mean, you've got you got three guys in there. And the way that you describe it in the, in the synopsis of the film, I thought was was pretty good. It says, homegrown follows a father to be in new Jersey, an Air Force veteran in New York City, and a charismatic activist from Texas, crisscrossing the country, during this period of profound national fracture and the Proud Boys is something that I don't know how many people know a lot about the Proud Boys. I, I know very little, have spent very little time actually, researching anything, about them. I, I've seen what I've seen in, you know, video clips and and stuff like that. But I have done my share of research on, you know, kind of extremist organizations and, and things like that. Over the course of my time doing depolarization work, doing the Derate the Hate podcast, I've had some of the most profound people in the extremist kind of realm, that are no longer extremist, thankfully, on my podcast. But I see what the Proud Boys were doing in your film now. It gave me a much deeper insight into their activities, especially leading up to the, the, the riots on January 6th. So these these guys, Chris, Thad and Randy that you follow in the film, they they were I mean, I can people watch this film and find that to be a pretty strong representation, pretty accurate representation of kind of what the Proud Boys are were I, I don't know, I mean, are they are the Proud Boys even really, a thing anymore? Have they pretty much disbanded since January 6th? What? What can you tell me?
[00:10:27:11] Michael Premo: Yeah. No, I mean, they're very much still a thing. There's active chapters still across the country. I, you know, I'd be curious, actually. See, hear kind of what you think and sort of, you know, the people that you've been talking to, how these individuals, land for you and are representative or not representative of what you've experienced. But I'll start by saying that, we, we selected these three, the, these three folks became our final participants in the film because they were broadly representative of all the people that we, had met over the course of our reported investigation. Chris, who was one individual in the film, he's from new Jersey. He's an electrician. By, you know, just for work. He's married his woman who's a nurse, he, is somebody who self-identifies as never really paying attention or being interested in in politics until Trump. And there was something about, you know, when he first rode down that golden elevator and, kind of burst onto the national scene in a political way that he was really sort of like motivated to pay attention. And it really spoke to something in him. I also, you know, I think that's what's fascinating for somebody who's from the tri state area or, New York State, who, you know, we grew up with Trump our whole lives, you know, not just on race. He was in the tabloids, you know, since I was small. And Chris is about the same age. So that was interesting that, like, you know, he never really pay attention to politics in general until, Trump and that was we met so many people across the country in the conservative movement who, never really or self-identified as never really being engaged with politics until Trump burst onto the scene and sort of spoke to them in a particular way. So that's, him, Thad, is a, Latino, gentleman from South Texas who we we met in the Pacific Northwest, and at the time he was living in Utah. And he represents this increasing, multiculturalism, the sort of black and, brown Latino, men and women who I met at conservative rallies and conservative events across the country. And I think it's really important to talk about, the increasing kind of multicultural, participation in the conservative movement because it's not something that the mainstream media talks about. And I think it's a it's an important layer to really kind of understand the dynamics of conservatism through that lens. And, you know, before the 2024 election, it wasn't something that was really part of the conversation. And so, you know, but every sort of rally and event that we went to, we met, black and brown folks, and that was just something that we didn't see when we turned on CNN. So we thought it was really important and critical to the film to include that perspective. And then Randy, is, originally from Maine but lives in New York City, an Air Force veteran who, represents that sort of backbone of any social movements, he said of the quiet behind the scene organizer. He may get up on stage at a rally or two and say a few words. If there's no one else. But, you know, his his job is really behind the scenes rallying the troops, spreading information, trying to get people together, doing the hard work of organizing and bringing people together. You know, that type of work is often hard to film because it's the sort of unsexy kind of keyboard, you know, behind the scenes work. But, you know, it's really critical to how, movements function and move and grow. And so it was important, really important to include Randy in the film for that reason. Sure.
[00:13:39:18] Wilk Wilkinson: No, I can see it. And and the one of the things that I really like about the, well, there's there's a number of different things that I really like about the, the film and its structuring and everything else is the, the kind of, you know, it's not like three guys that are just the same, you know, just just like these three automaton figures that are or whatever, the very different personalities for me, I gotta, I gotta be honest, I really resonated with Thad, I think the most he I mean, I know a ton of people like him. I thought he was a very thoughtful person and how he clearly a, a strong family man, a Navy veteran. I'm a Navy veteran. He was in probably a little after I got out, but but, I really resonated with him. And I think one of the things that I, I really resonated with, and maybe people in Utah will remember, this. But he actually went on the news and did, like, a joint press conference in Utah at a Proud Boys rally in with, with one of the local leaders of Black Lives Matter and developed a friendship with, I forget the girl's name, but but, talk about that a little bit and talk about that and that uniqueness that that he had. Because like I said, he he really resonated with me or I resonated with, with him and, and who he was and, and taught him to be kind of a genuine and loving person that you might not expect to see in a movement like that.
[00:15:19:18] Michael Premo: Yeah. That's right. I feel like it's, you know, I, I grew up with guys like that and, you know, that is like one of those people who's just trying to figure things out, and it's like really trying to, like, put his head into, like, making sense of things and off sometimes not making always the best choices because he can be a little impulsive. And I was like, yeah, I know this person, and I think a lot of people know somebody like this. And you know, that sort of like thoughtfulness and sort of like wrestling with how to solve problems and understand the bigger picture led him to this really unlikely, friendship with Jakari, who was a Black Lives Matter activists in, in, Salt Lake. And that came out of, both his work in the sort of Proud Boy chapter in Salt Lake City, which I thought was really interesting because they caught a lot of flack from other Proud Boys and other, conservatives for even bothering to talk to, an activist from the other side, quote unquote. And so that I think that was really fascinating. And I was really kind of drawn to their kind of like interest in having this conversation because it, I think it like really nuanced who these people are in a way that I think complicates this idea of this sort of us and them narrative that we fall onto where we just kind of put people in these boxes and there's like no nuance or gray area after that.
[00:16:36:21] Wilk Wilkinson: No, I think that's, just an amazing point. It's something that I've talked about so much is, first of all, no group is a monolith. They're just not. And, you're going to find all kinds of nuance in anything. And and in any movement. That one stood out a lot for me just because of the work that I've done for so long with with Braver Angels and bridging divides. And, you know, just the idea of completely discounting other people. You mentioned the us versus them dynamic that and these rigid binaries that, that people always want to want to play. And nowadays and it's just not the case. And, and I, I just want, make, want to make sure that I highlight how you highlighted that in the film. And I and I think it's important. So thank you. Thank you for doing that. So, so as you were making this film, I mean, obviously just like, just like anything, it's, it's, you know, there's what's inside the lens and what's outside the lens. And oftentimes all the stuff that's outside the lens completely gets missed. So Michael, what what was the biggest takeaway for you more broadly? I mean, obviously we can talk more. We'll talk more about the film itself and what happens inside the lens. But outside the lens. What was your biggest takeaway from this experience? It's a multi-year experience for you, and there's a lot going on. Or was a lot going on there. So what was the biggest takeaway for you outside the lens?
[00:18:21:23] Michael Premo: Yeah, I mean, I think one of the things, one of the biggest takeaways from this process in general, was really understanding that it's not necessarily I think there is this perception that what draws people to maybe particular groups or particular social movements is this ideological sort of drive. And I think it's very rare that that people are driven by ideology to begin with. And what I encountered was people that were looking for community. They were looking for purpose, they were looking for meaning. They were looking to, like kind of make sense of a world that doesn't make sense often and not necessarily driven by ideology. Maybe sometimes people sort of end up in sort of some sort of ideological rigidity, but even the people I felt like that were the most dogmatic about, whatever the sort of politics might have been. It was more to like, be accepted in a group and to be seen and to have their, you know, their feelings and values. Honored and recognized more so than any sort of ideological purity. And I think that that's a really important point to understand. What draws people to participate in movements across the political spectrum. And that I think that is something that was the big takeaway overall. You know, we met so many people that are, you know, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, they're we're in a place in history where the political system, the economy, is so captured by the sort of corporate elites and so sort of bent in their favor, and people are just trying to, like, feed their families and go about their business and finding different answers for why, things are the way they are. But the, the core motivations are very, very similar.
[00:20:13:08] Wilk Wilkinson: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot of good points there and, and, I, I do find it fascinating the, the idea that, that people aren't necessarily driven by their ideology. But but many of the other things and the things that you brought up, I mean, looking for community and and, belonging and purpose, I mean, these are these are very important things. Having had many conversations with former radicals and and extremist myself, I know that this is a thing. And just just to clarify, I'm not saying that everybody, in the Proud Boys or everybody that does this is a radical or extremist, but the, the, the need for community, the need for belonging, the need for purpose when you have no purpose, sometimes drives people to to be something that they wouldn't otherwise be or join something that they wouldn't otherwise join. And where where I get bothered by this and, and I1I, I'm just going to share one of the things that bothers me most about that when it comes to, especially when it comes to like political ideology and stuff like that, is when that is the case. Often those loud and ugly voices start to overtake those people within an ideology that do work on principle and do work on moral clarity. And I think that I think that explains a lot about what's happening in our country today. I mean, the loudest and ugliest voices have captured certain ideological movements and overtaken it. And then the principle and and people, you know, the morally clear and and. I'm going to say that people of good character are kind of pushed out. It's actually right. And and no longer run the movement and then.
[00:22:30:06] Michael Premo: That's right. That's right.
[00:22:31:23] Wilk Wilkinson: And then that political ideology becomes tainted and gives everybody else a false perception of it. Again, you know, kind of inside the lens versus outside the lens thinking. Yeah. Because now everything that's happening, everything that's going down on film, every little video that you see when you're doomscrolling on your phone or, or whatever on social media captures the loudest and the ugliest voices correct, and everything outside the lens gets drowned out. Correct. Talk to me about this. Talk to me about your thoughts on that.
[00:23:06:05] Michael Premo: Yeah. No, I think that's absolutely correct. I think the other thing that was slightly so what what what is what is outside the quote unquote the lens is what we wanted to turn our lens on. If that makes sense. Yeah. So what we were observing as I was doing research for this film and by doing research, I was reading a ton of stuff from across the political spectrum. And I was out there talking to people and meeting people at all different types of environments all across the country. And, you know, one thing that I observed among the most the loudest, the leaders, I if I said their name, you probably instantly or some of these listeners would instantly recognize them. And what I noticed that there was two categories of the people who were the loudest. One category were the true believers, who are people that I feel like they believe what they are saying. They believe they have some sort of ideological vision for society or some aspect of society and, and are driven by that. And there are some of those people among those voices. But the vast majority of the individuals that I met were just grifters, hustlers, people who were just like exploiting outrage just to like, get likes and clicks and had turned that into something very lucrative for themselves. And I feel like when we were in quiet moments, sort of like just at the bar, kind of in a corner of a room in a restaurant, just like talking like their their outlook was very different. Like there was a switch that turned and, and I think that like why we wanted to focus on people who weren't the sort of most known individuals, but the quote unquote, footsoldiers, the average everyday activist is because we wanted to see the sort of like rank and file what these people who, are sort of outside the traditional lens are like and doing the quote unquote ordinary everyday folks. Yeah, because of that, because of that. And it was fascinating to spend time with some of these folks. So I was like, you do not believe the thing you are selling people.
[00:24:59:23] Wilk Wilkinson: That is absolutely fascinating. But, I mean, it shouldn't be fascinating. I mean, it confirms one of the things that I talk about the most, Michael, is, is these outrage entrepreneurs and grievance grifters is what I call them. I think you probably heard me say that on the podcast before that. But yeah, outrage entrepreneurs and grievance grifters, they don't always believe what they are saying, but they know they are going to get that reaction. They know they are going to get the clicks. They know they are going to get the notoriety from capitalizing on people's fear, outrage and grievance. And they do it over and over and over again because it's a proven model and it's so ugly and it's so disingenuous. But it works.
[00:25:43:04] Michael Premo: Yeah.
[00:25:43:18] Wilk Wilkinson: And it's painful to me to watch what that has done to our country. You know, I, I've, I've been saying quite often lately, Michael, that, that, you know, the biggest problem in our country is not the right the biggest problem in our country is not the left. The biggest problem in our country is toxic polarization and us versus them. Tribalism. Everything else is just a symptom. Yeah, everything else is just a symptom. The disease is toxic. Polarization and political us versus them. Tribalism and Michael we the people are the host and America is going to be the casualty if we don't get that under control, because everything else is just a symptom of that broader disease.
[00:26:28:06] Michael Premo: Yeah, that's absolutely right. That's absolutely right. You know, and I think one of the thing, one of the kind of beautiful intentions of the American political system was trying to eliminate that us versus them. That's inherent in the parliamentary system, where you have a governing party and an opposition party and the sort of like structural, innovation that the architects of this country were trying to make was like, how do you deal with tribalism? By bringing people together and forcing them to be able to govern in a way where, you know, they can make compromises in the good of the people. So it's absolutely tragic to see where we are today, where people are just they no longer see the other, the other party, the other person, the other political ideology. As a equal partner in governance. And that's a terrifying turning point in this country.
[00:27:16:19] Wilk Wilkinson: And it was a terrifying turning point. I yeah, I, I just I can't, you know, being in I will just say that right now, being in the state of Minnesota where I live, is, is a weird thing. And it's it should be something that concerns every single American. I mean, no matter where you fall on the political spectrum, what is happening here in the state of Minnesota as of right now, in the past two weeks or, well, now almost three weeks as of the date of this recording, we've had three, people in Minnesota shot by, by federal law enforcement, Ice and customs and Border Patrol. Two died and one was shot in the leg.
[00:28:04:09] Michael Premo: But.
[00:28:05:05] Wilk Wilkinson: More than that, I mean, we've got, we've got people, again, starting stuff on fire. We've got many people that are peacefully protesting, but then there are clearly, these kind of Antifa style figures out there in their helmets. And running around with sleds for shields and and stuff like that. And, and it's, it's in my mind, Michael, the divide in this country is, is getting to a point where there's it's not red versus blue. It's those who want chaos and calamity and pandemonium. And then there's those who want, you know, civility. They want calm, they want, you know, these predictable norms.
[00:28:47:22] Michael Premo: But.
[00:28:49:11] Wilk Wilkinson: But it's it's not healthy. And again, it's just a symptom. I mean, there's, you know, Donald Trump and his administration are not the root cause of this. They are a symptom of that bigger problem. Again, Michael, we're getting close to the end of our time here. And I want to have you tell me a little bit about, you know, we're not going to give away the whole film, but I want to I want people to know where they can find it. So, but as we wrap up, just take a couple minutes real quick. Tell me about January 6th, because I know you were there. You and your cameras were there. Right in the mix of what was happening. And tell me what that, I guess. Tell me what that felt like for you. Tell me. You know, tell me what you saw and and and. Yeah. How that felt for you.
[00:29:44:08] Michael Premo: Yeah. So we we ended up there that day by following one of our main participants in the film, Chris. Who, who was there? And, you know, we and we try to show this in the film, the January 6th was planned in public, like there may have been private meetings that people had about what they were going to do that day, but there was no sort of, I mean, in my opinion, and what I observed, there wasn't this sort of secret conspiracy necessarily. Everything was planned in public. The plan was to storm the capital was to, you know, prevent, the certification of the election. And, so because it was so planned so publicly, I assume that having seen many protests in Washington, D.C., that the, D.C. police and the Parks police would have, you know, the Capitol completely cordoned off and completely surrounded. And I was absolutely surprised by the sort of, to follow Chris to the base of the Capitol and not see, everything law enforcement prepared to the level that I assume that they would prepare prepared. And so when I saw this, I was, you know, turned to my producing partner and who's doing sound? I'm doing camera, and, Rachel, the sound and as our producer and I was like, put on your helmet and gas mask as this is about to get crazy and that just like, you know, you know, people have been in situations like that, you know, it's just sort of like adrenaline kicks in and like, all I'm focused on is, like, doing my job, like making sure that the, the, the, the, record button is pressed and that I'm following Chris wherever he goes, whatever he's doing, you know, and I saw people that were there, you know, excited to be able to prevent the peaceful transition of power. I saw people that were excited to storm the Capitol. And, you know, as Chris kept saying, stirring up, Pelosi stirring up, Schumer and, and halt this sort of democratic process, for what they believe was a stolen election. And it was it was wild. It was absolutely wild, you know, it was, you know, all the sort of like conversation around what people wanted to do and how publicly they were talking about. I thought maybe should have prepared me to not be as absolutely shocked as I was. But I like to say that I was sort of like we were we were not surprised, but completely shocked, you know? And I, I wasn't also wasn't prepared for people, to fight police so violently for these folks who were, you know, for the last however, months were just so staunchly blue lives Matter. But how quickly Blue Lives Matter crowd became blue Lives Matter crowd. And they just went to war with these. With these cops fighting them and hand to hand combat for 4 or 5 hours. Where I was the west side of the, the Capitol. And it was it was wild. Was really wild.
[00:32:30:11] Wilk Wilkinson: Like I said, I this is this is one of those films. When I watched it, I was. I was I was just shocked. I mean, it I was shocked and surprised. I, I, I looked at this and, and, you know, I and I guess one of the things that shocks me now a lot, you know, because of the events over the past couple of weeks, is a lot of those same people that have been for five, you know, plus years now, six years, five plus years. Yeah, five plus years have been screaming this is not a correction. This was not an insurrection. This was not an insurrection. Or now calling for the Insurrection Act in the state of Minnesota. Again, people lose their I mean, it's not about principles. It's not about ideology. It's about that that sense of belonging, that sense of community and whatever. You know, there, buddy, on either side of them is saying, I think they kind of go along with and and it's not about principles or ideology. That's just me taking a a for a piece of, personal prerogative because it's it's my show. But, I just it's it's shocking. And, and I would say that everybody goes and they've got to go out and see this movie. They've got to get a hold of this movie homegrown, see what I'm talking about, see what Michael's talking about. Michael Premo was tell me where I tell the listeners where people can find this film. And, they they've just got to see it. Everybody's got to see it.
[00:34:00:11] Michael Premo: Yeah. So the, homegrown is available. Buy. You can rent it, till February 16th at, homegrown Dot film. After that, we hope to, sort of go wider to different, platforms. So we're still sort of waiting to figure out that next step. But currently it's available to rent that homegrown film till Presidents Day, which is February 16th. Yeah. So we invite people to come and, check it out. We also have, a place on our, on our website that if people are interested in doing screenings, we're really interested for individuals or groups or you know, do a house party with some neighbors to do screenings. We're really interested in that. Or we're really hoping that the film, can be a source of conversation and debate among people as we, you know, really think about what the future of, American democracy can look like.
[00:34:46:01] Wilk Wilkinson: Michael, Premo, thank you so much for joining me here on Derate the Hate. I do appreciate it, man.
[00:34:50:11] Michael Premo: Wilk, you’re a stand up guy. It's an absolute pleasure to be in conversation with you. I really appreciate your time, and I really appreciate the work you do with Derate the Hate and, Braver Angels, so thank you very much.
[00:35:02:01] Wilk Wilkinson: Thank you. Friends, I want to thank you so much for tuning in. And if there's anything in this episode that provided exceptional value to you, please make sure to hit that share button. If you haven't done so already, please be sure to subscribe to get the DerateThe Hate podcast sent to your email inbox every week. We really are better together, so please take a moment to visit BraverAngels.org and consider joining the movement towards civic renewal and bridging our political divides. This is Wilk wrapping up for the week saying get out there. Be kind to one another. Be grateful for everything you've got. And remember, it's up to you to make every day the day that you want it to be. With that, my friends, I'm going to back on out of here and we will catch you next week. Take care.
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