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DTH Episode 264 with Hunter Ash & Julian Adorney
In this thought-provoking episode of Derate The Hate, I’m joined by two powerful voices with unique, and sometimes conflicting, views on the political and cultural challenges of our time.
🧩 Hunter Ash, speaking from a dissident-right perspective, discusses the cultural and institutional backlash many perceive against white Americans and how the growing fear of cancel culture, DEI overreach, and race-based identity politics is shaping a new political reality.
🕊️ Julian Adorney, a brilliant writer and peace builder, brings a powerful counterpoint. In his widely shared piece for Reality’s Last Stand, “Why Christians Must Reject the Woke Right’s Answer to Racism,” Julian outlines a principled rejection of race-based resentment from any side—and calls for a return to individual dignity, moral clarity, and universal justice.
Together, we explore:
âś… What happens when identity politics jumps the aisle
âś… How history warns against repeating group-based division
âś… The critical difference between legal equality and equality of outcomes
âś… Why even defensive identity politics can spiral into dangerous territory
âś… What it takes to stay grounded in truth, humility, and productive discourse
If you’ve listened to previous episodes with or guest hosted by Julian Adorney, you know he brings a deep commitment to depolarization and ethical dialogue. I encourage you to revisit these earlier episodes for even more insight into his work:
🎧 How to Detox From Toxic Polarization
🎧 Is a Civil "Is God Real?" Conversation Possible?
Whether you lean left, right, or consider yourself politically homeless, this conversation is about bridging divides with understanding—not firebombing each other with rhetoric.
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Wilk Wilkinson
Welcome back, my friends, to the Derate the Hate podcast. I am your host, Wilk Wilkinson, your blue collar sage, calming outrage and helping to navigate a world divided by FOG. And those who would spread that fear, outrage and grievance. Each week I'm sharing stories from my path and using the power of conversation and collaboration with my many great guests.
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Together, we chart a course toward understanding, bridging divides and fostering a community where wisdom prevails over discord. Friends, it really is about bettering the world. One attitude at a time. We did not create the hate, but together we can derate the hate. The only good thing about a bad attitude is we have the ability as individuals to change it.
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Wilk Wilkinson
For me, it starts with gratitude and personal accountability. I am so incredibly grateful that you have taken the time to join me for another powerful DTH episode. Please remember to subscribe and share the DTH podcast with your network of friends. If you would like to support the show, check out the Support Us page on the Derate the Hate website. With that, my friends, let's get to it.
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Wilk Wilkinson
Look, I'm proud knowing here at DTH we can tackle the toughest issues we face as a society without losing our humanity in the process. Today's conversation might just be one of the most complex and timely that we've had yet. I'm joined by two thought provoking guests who are no strangers
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to controversial discourse. Julian Adorney and Hunter ash.
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Julian is a writer, a speaker, and one of the most thoughtful voices in the deep polarization space today. He's done incredible work bridging divides and helping people see through the noise of tribal politics. He recently wrote a powerful piece for Reality's Last Stand, titled Why Christians Must Reject the Woke Right's Answer to Racism. And I highly recommend you check it out.
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Julian challenges us to move beyond both the woke left and the so-called dissident or woke right,
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and instead focus on justice rooted in human dignity, empathy, and the true message of unity. On the other side of this conversation is Hunter Ashe, a rising voice from within what some describe as the dissident right.
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Hunter brings a raw and unfiltered insight into the fears and frustrations that many people feel in today's social climate. He's not afraid to challenge DEI orthodoxy, critical race theory, or the way identity politics plays out in both policy and culture. Whether you agree or disagree with Hunter, his perspectives represent a growing movement of people who feel politically homeless, concerned about real issues but unsure where to turn.
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Wilk Wilkinson
Together, we're diving deep into the tensions between group identity and individual dignity, legal equality versus equality of outcomes, and how fear on all sides can drive people towards dangerous extremes. This episode isn't about picking a side. It's about asking better questions. Listening with true intent and finding our way forward even when the conversation is uncomfortable. Let's get into it with Julian Adorney and Hunter Ash.
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Wilk Wilkinson
Here we go.
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Discuss.
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Wilk Wilkinson
All right. Julian Adorney and Hunter Ash, thank you for joining me on the Derate the Hate podcast. I do appreciate your time today. This
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is exciting. This is a little bit different than the than a lot of the conversations that I have here on the Derate the Hate podcast, but,
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for the listeners, obviously, many of you know,
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Julian Adorney,
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he's been on the podcast a number of times and he's actually guest hosted the podcast, a number of times.
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And
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he recently came to me and said, hey, I've got this great idea for an episode for a conversation.
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There's
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this guy on,
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Twitter or x x Twitter.
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Whatever.
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His name is Hunter ash. He's got some, some interesting insights when it comes to,
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the woke right.
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And white identity politics. And, and it's something that I wrote about recently and he's agreed to have a conversation. So I looked into that,
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because, quite honestly, the woke right and white identity politics, is not something that I've spent a lot of my mental energy on, but I'm, I'm excited to talk about it today because I think it is something in the time right now that we're in that has to be discussed.
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Wilk Wilkinson
So thank you, fellas, I appreciate it. Hunter ash Julian Adorney we're going to have a fantastic conversation. Let's start off, Julian.
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Just say hello to the DTH listeners and then we'll,
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we'll move over here to Hunter.
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Julian Adorney
Yeah. Thanks so much for having me on, Wilk. It's, always a pleasure.
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Hunter Ash
Yeah, likewise. I think. Thank you so much. I am really looking forward to this. I think it'll be a productive.
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Wilk Wilkinson
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Going to be a productive conversation. And,
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again, grateful for the two of you taking the time to join me today.
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So let's let's start this off,
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Julian, by,
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we're going to first start to,
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start the conversation with, with us talking about,
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an article you recently wrote for Realities Last Stand.
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It says Why Christians must reject the woke right’s answer to racism. And,
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immediately when I read that title,
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I went to,
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the idea of anti-racism,
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because when I think about black anti-racism and people like Ibram X Kendi and Robin D'Angelo and, and things like that, I think that stands in contrast to a lot of what I see as productive in terms of fighting racism or working against and productively working against racism.
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Wilk Wilkinson
So,
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then I read the article, of course, and, and see that that, that you
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had quoted Hunter's X post,
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on there. And I just want to,
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read that real quick for the listeners because,
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that gives great context to where our conversation is going to go today. So I'm going to read this real quick,
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from, from Hunter Ash.
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On X says “my radical far right stance on race is equal treatment. Ibrahm Kendi should be socially vilified as socially vilified as David Duke, probably more so. I don't think David Duke ever claimed that black people were aliens. Black Lives Matter and White Lives Matter should be treated the same. A scholarship for only minority students should have the same legal standing as a scholarship for only white students.
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The problem is that we that this never happens. Politics is a negotiation. You typically get an outcome,
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about halfway between one side or,
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halfway between what one side wants and what the other side wants. If white people advocate for neutrality, while other groups advocate for special privileges, we'll end up with moderate special privileges for them. No thank you.
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I will not tolerate the seething resentment against whites,
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broadcast from every major institution. I will not tolerate moderate discrimination against my people. And it seems, both empirically and theoretically, that the only way to achieve equality is for us to actively advocate for our own group interests, such that the final negotiated outcome is something close to equality.” Okay, so,
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was that a fair quote?
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Wilk Wilkinson
Hunter I mean, I'm assuming it is. I think I read it, I tried to read it word for word. Don't have my glasses on today, but I tried to read it word for word. Fair representation of what you wrote on X.
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Hunter Ash
Yeah, yeah, word for word.
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Wilk Wilkinson
All right. Perfect. So. So, Julian, take me into,
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where you're at on this because as I read this, there's some things I agree with, some things I don't,
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and I want to know where you are at when you read this the first time. And what,
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what kind of led you to this?
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Wilk Wilkinson
As. I mean, I know, and many of the listeners will know that that a lot of what you write about has been about DEI and things such as that and, and the poisons that that
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the DEI has brought to society.
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So, so let's let's start with what did you think when you first read this from Hunter?
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Julian Adorney
Yeah, it's a really good question.
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Julian Adorney
So kind of like you said,
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I have spent a few years now criticizing the DEI industry critical race theory, critical theory, queer theory, things like that.
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I have criticized Robin D'Angelo.
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Ibrahm Kendi, all those folks for more or less the same reason, which is that I don't think our society gets better when we kind of slice and dice by racial divisions or by bi racial categories.
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Julian Adorney
I think that even more that's really well intentioned. It can it runs the, the risk, the side effect of reifying barriers rather than taking them down. And so when I read Hunter's thing Hunter, I saw your thing. I thought we agree almost completely on ends. We agree. I mean, I absolutely advocate for race and for race equality basically.
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Julian Adorney
And so we agree pretty much completely as far as that goes.
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Where we disagree is on means. And I thought, you know, if I, I've been criticizing Kendi and D'Angelo and all these folks for years saying that if, if we lean into black affinity groups, Hispanic affinity groups, graduations segregated by skin color, the net effect is not going to be good for society.
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Julian Adorney
It's going to be very bad. It's going to kind of reify these visions. And so when I saw you advocating for white identity politics, I thought, well, I can really see where he's coming from because it seems sort of weird that you can have identity politics for every group except for white people, you know, and I'm
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I've been very leery of identity politics for white people because we have a history of that in the country that I think is been toxic.
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But I'm, I'm with help, actually one of one of my African-American friends.
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That that Wilk knows,
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Julian Adorney
I've been sort of work my way around that concept.
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But but all the same, I saw you talked about means, and I thought, I don't think this is going to get us there. I don't think it's going to get us to true neutrality or true equality.
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Julian Adorney
I think it's going to get us deeper into kind of warring tribes.
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Wilk Wilkinson
Very good. And Hunter,
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then,
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to to kind of go,
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to what Julian was saying and then and then more so even actually,
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kind of explaining where you were when you wrote this piece and, and what the, the genesis of that kind of thought process has been for you.
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Hunter Ash
Yeah. So, you know, I was,
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I was a progressive for most of my life until a few years ago. So I feel like I understand, you know, sort of that headspace and where they're where,
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Hunter Ash
where they're coming from. You know, I've also been, you know, probably, you know, more or less where, where you're at. Julian. Right.
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Hunter Ash
Which is something closer to the classical liberal position.
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A few things that have made me just,
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pessimistic that the strategy could really work.
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Hunter Ash
Are essentially, you know, basically the, the durability of nonwhite identity politics. You know, I feel like we've sort of been trying the unilateral disarmament thing for decades at this point. Right. And it's essentially like, I feel like in game theory terms, white people have been, you know, in aggregate.
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Hunter Ash
Right? Obviously, I'm not talking about, you know, there are obviously people who have, you know, had, you know, very strong,
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racial prejudices, white people who have, you know, across this time period. But in aggregate and in terms of our sort of political action, I feel like we've been like the always cooperate strategy in game theory, right? Where no matter, you know, what, we're cooperation is essentially being colorblind.
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Hunter Ash
Right. And, you know, we we do that and we do that and we do that. And, you know, during my lifetime and it seems like for, you know, a few decades before I was born, it seems like things are only moving in the wrong direction. Right? Like we're only seeing more and more,
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Hunter Ash
anti-white discrimination, anti-white rhetoric, you know,
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history curricula across the country are just, you know, they seem designed to situate Europeans as sort of the root evil of the entire world, right.
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Hunter Ash
So my position is essentially just that, like this strategy has not been working. Right. It seems like this has been like the mainstream institutional view. I it's not that I don't think it's been, you know, I don't think that like real liberalism has never been tried or something. Right? I think this was the consensus position of, of both major political parties in the US for decades and decades.
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Hunter Ash
And things have only been moving in the wrong direction. So I think we need a completely different approach. And then, you know, maybe something we could get into later is that I even question that there was ever really a sort of golden age or, you know, like,
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Hunter Ash
any, any time in our history where we got this right, right where we really hit the nail on the head.
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Hunter Ash
You know, I think things started to tip in the wrong direction.
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Hunter Ash
Almost immediately after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. So maybe that's something we can get into. But yeah, the basic point is just if it's not working, you have to do something else, right? You know, we don't, you know, like what? What levers do you do?
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Hunter Ash
Any of us here or, you know, anyone who holds these positions really have to get nonwhite groups to stop being groupish, to stop being tribal. And like, given that we can't do that, then us being sort of the only group that in aggregate does this is a recipe for us to be permanently disadvantaged, which is not acceptable to me.
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Hunter Ash
Right? That would apply that, you know, I'm not that worried about how much it applies to me. Right? I've sort of built my own platform and I'm I'm largely insulated from, you know, these kinds of institutional pressures. But this would apply to, you know,
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my, my future kids. Right. And that's, that's simply not acceptable to me. Right?
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I'm not willing to nobly lose this fight,
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just because there there are certain tactics that we, we deem too unsavory,
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Hunter Ash
that might win it. Yeah.
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Wilk Wilkinson
So let me let me ask you this question.
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Hunter,
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you know, as we as we move further into this, this conversation, then,
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the one question that I would ask is,
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I often say that that we,
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we can't defeat hate with hate and we can't defeat,
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we can't do it.
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Wilk Wilkinson
I would say we can't defeat identity politics with identity politics. I think identity politics is one of the the,
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the greatest degradations of society, that we've we've had, I think it's a horrible thing.
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Wilk Wilkinson
Just the same way I, I don't believe we can defeat hate with hate. I don't believe we can defeat identity politics with identity politics.
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Wilk Wilkinson
So my question for you is, and then then the whole woke thing, which I think woke is probably one of the most overused words in modern times.
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Wilk Wilkinson
What do you think?
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when we have things like this or or mindsets like this define as woke, right? And white identity politics, is that something that that that sparks anything within you?
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Wilk Wilkinson
Is it a fair representation? And then I want to move over and basically ask the same questions for, for Julian. And so go ahead and address that quick Hunter. And then we'll, we'll move over to to Julian on that.
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Hunter Ash
Sure. So the first thing I just want to say is that like I don't think that this general sort of analogical structure always holds right. Because you could also say like, you can't beat guns with guns. It's like you absolutely can. And in fact, there's pretty much nothing else that will write like, or you know, another example might be nuclear deterrence.
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Hunter Ash
Right. So, you know, no country that has nuclear weapons has suffered a significant land invasion since they got them right.
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Hunter Ash
And in fact, you know, Ukraine used to have them and gave them up. And, you know, here they are. So I don't think that, you know, you can imagine a country saying, like, I'm generally against nuclear weapons, right?
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Hunter Ash
These are these are dangerous for humanity. And like, I won't, I refuse, I nobly refuse to participate in their proliferation. Right. That country is going to get steamrolled by countries that do have nuclear weapons, whereas, you know, the other ones that do,
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Hunter Ash
are essentially immune, right? You can't seriously threaten a country that has nuclear weapons, even if they have almost no other capability.
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Hunter Ash
I mean, look at North Korea, right? We would absolutely go over and knock, knock that government over if we could. But we can't. And it's exclusively because they have nuclear weapons, right. As far as white identity politics go, I do want to clarify my position, because it's probably very different from a lot of people in the the dissident.
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Hunter Ash
Right.
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Hunter Ash
A lot of people feel sort of an inherent affinity for white identity politics. Right? It's an end in and of itself. Right? They're just like, this is how they, you know, they want an ethno state in the United States, right? This is sort of their organizing principle for all their politics. And that's not really where I'm coming from.
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Hunter Ash
And nor am I advocating for like, you know, affirmative action for, for white people or something. Right. My position is rather that we need to be able to object to certain policies, not on the grounds of some abstract, high minded ideal, but on the grounds that these are bad for us. Right? These will be bad for me, and they're bad for my kids, because I see anything else as essentially just, time wasting rabbit hole.
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Hunter Ash
Right? So you can say like, no, you know, I'm opposed to, you know, any discrimination against anybody on the grounds of justice, right? And then they can say like, well, you know, what about to compensate for past discrimination, right? It's like, well, no, it has to be applied to, you know, people who were alive today. It's like, oh, okay.
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Hunter Ash
So like if you're a grandpa stole everything from my grandpa, then like, that doesn't have any, you know, and that's just a bottomless rabbit hole. And it also doesn't reflect the real reasons why I oppose it. Right? I simply oppose it because it would disadvantage me. It would disadvantage a lot of people I care about, and it'll disadvantage my future kids.
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Hunter Ash
So that's what I mean when I say, you know, we need to,
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embrace a certain form of white identity. Politics is white people need to be able to say, I am against this because it is anti-white, not just because I'm, you know, sort of generically in favor of neutrality. Right? You know, you are threatening me as a group.
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Hunter Ash
And in terms of like, you know, the the dividing people into categories or whatever, that's another thing we can't just unilaterally opt out of. Right? Like if we are sort of seen as white and targeted as white by, you know, people like you know, people like Kendi, you know, people in the the woke left, then it makes sense for us to defend ourselves as such.
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Hunter Ash
Right? Almost like, you know, you group up people for a class action lawsuit or something, like, you know, if somebody, you know, proposed a policy of expropriating everybody named Julian Grant, and they just want to take all your money and keep it for themselves, right. It would be a good strategy for you to team up with all the other Julian to oppose this.
00:19:15:18 - 00:19:32:20
Hunter Ash
Right, because you have more power as a group. Right. Like these are people you don't know. You don't you don't feel like you necessarily have anything in common with them. But what you do have in common is that you are under attack from, you know, a specific direction because of this shared trait. And you know, under that circumstance, group defense makes sense.
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Hunter Ash
So I would say that I support what I would call defensive white identity politics.
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Wilk Wilkinson
Fair enough.
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Wilk Wilkinson
I appreciate the explanation. So, Julian, let's,
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Wilk Wilkinson
let's tackle that.
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Wilk Wilkinson
From from your perspective then,
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Wilk Wilkinson
you know, with, with regard to,
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Wilk Wilkinson
what does
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Wilk Wilkinson
the woke, right, white identity politics,
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Wilk Wilkinson
I guess,
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Wilk Wilkinson
grouping,
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Wilk Wilkinson
mean for you and,
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Wilk Wilkinson
and then and then let's,
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Wilk Wilkinson
let's kind of go into,
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Wilk Wilkinson
to to what Hunter
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Wilk Wilkinson
had to say there in that explanation.
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Julian Adorney
Yeah.
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Julian Adorney
So first off, I hear you talking about the fear of your kids, you know, being discriminated against, stuff like that.
00:20:08:07 - 00:20:11:11
Julian Adorney
And absolutely just want to. I could actually share that fear.
00:20:11:11 - 00:20:13:11
Julian Adorney
Not that my kids will be jumping against because they're white.
00:20:13:11 - 00:20:15:01
Julian Adorney
actually don't know if my kids will be white.
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Julian Adorney
We may adopt from somewhere.
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Julian Adorney
But for me, the fear comes from things like queer theory in schools or things like gender transitioning in schools. It's one of the reasons I'm a columnist for Reality’s Last stand is one of the reasons that I'm, you know, getting into writing about,
00:20:28:17 - 00:20:36:05
Julian Adorney
about queer theory and about social transitioning, stuff like that. As I see the stuff in schools, I think I want to protect my future kids from that.
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Julian Adorney
I just want to echo back because what I said, I, we kind of talked about this a little bit in the beginning of the book before the recording started, that I think a lot of folks hear wide in the politics and think, oh, like basket deplorables. Like, you must just be like, racist, whatever.
00:20:52:04 - 00:20:57:15
Julian Adorney
And I just want to echo that I hear your concern for your kids, and that's that's a concern we share.
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Julian Adorney
If if, if for a different reason to still a very, very virtuous concern. I think.
00:21:02:08 - 00:21:05:03
Julian Adorney
Okay. So, so so where do I come from? On on the woke right.
00:21:05:03 - 00:21:11:06
Julian Adorney
Kind of two things. One is that, you know, if I've read MLK books or at least two of them,
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Julian Adorney
you know,
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