Show Notes

What is the formula for Listening AND Being Heard When Talkin' Politics and Religion?

In this episode, Wilk Wilkinson and Corey Nathan discuss the importance of having conversations about politics and religion without resorting to personal attacks. They emphasize the need to approach these conversations with openness and curiosity, seeking to understand the other person's perspective rather than trying to convince them to change their beliefs. The conversation covers topics such as confirmation bias, echo chambers, active listening, and recognizing our common humanity. They also highlight the value of nurturing relationships and making people feel heard and valued. The episode emphasizes the importance of attacking positions, not people, and separating personal identity from political or religious beliefs. The conversation explores the importance of effective communication and understanding in divisive times. It emphasizes the need to separate individuals from their beliefs and to avoid making assumptions based on identity or political affiliation. The guests discuss the dangers of identitarianism and the need to prioritize relationships over winning debates. They also highlight the importance of recognizing biases and being open-minded in conversations. The conversation concludes with a call to bridge divides and prioritize understanding.



  • Approach conversations about politics and religion with openness and curiosity, seeking to understand the other person's perspective.
  • Recognize the dangers of confirmation bias and echo chambers, and actively seek out diverse viewpoints.
  • Practice active listening and reflect back to the other person to show that you understand their position.
  • Recognize and value the common humanity in others, even if they have different political or religious beliefs.
  • Attack positions, not people, and separate personal identity from political or religious beliefs.
  • Nurture relationships and make people feel heard and valued in conversations. Separate individuals from their beliefs and avoid making assumptions based on identity or political affiliation.
  • Prioritize relationships over winning debates and focus on understanding.
  • Recognize biases and be open-minded in conversations.
  • Bridge divides and prioritize understanding to foster a healthier society.

Who is Corey Nathan?

Corey Nathan describes himself as an engaged Citizen, Creative Businessman, Executive Producer, Host of the Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other podcast. Corey started out as a stockbroker by day while studying at a theater conservatory at night. Since then, he’s been an entrepreneur with one foot in business and one foot in creative pursuits having built such endeavors as a niche executive search firm; a theatre and film ensemble; a residential and commercial service company; a 501c3 to help folks during the pandemic; and most recently a new media/content company. 

Much of Corey’s current work is focused on collaborating with people across religious, political and social divides to help understand and repair some of our culture’s rancor. This springs from his personal background, having been raised in an observant Jewish household before becoming a Born-again Christian in his late 20s. This unique trajectory required engaging in fraught conversations about religion with his family as well as strained discussions in the church about politics. Over the last several years, a growing audience has been enjoying engaging, provocative and fun conversations about these subjects on the podcast Corey hosts, Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other. Corey also produces Freedom Road Podcast and Village SquareCast, and consults on a number of other programs in this space. Corey has been married to Lisa for over 26 years and has 3 kids, Savannah (22), Jackie-boy (20) and Emerson (18) along with the family pooches, Bailey Abigail and Charles Mingus the 3rd. As for rumors of his exploits in the world of Texas Holdem Poker, we can neither confirm nor deny those reports. 

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00:00 Introduction and Purpose of the Podcast

01:19 The Importance of Conversations About Politics and Religion

06:08 Approaching Conversations with Openness and Curiosity

07:29 The Power of Active Listening and Reflecting Back

09:26 Recognizing Each Other's Humanity

12:48 Breaking Out of Bespoke Realities

15:45 Separating Personal Identity from Political and Religious Beliefs

22:23 Attacking Positions, Not People

25:14 Recognizing Our Common Humanity in Conversations

28:37 The Importance of Effective Communication and Understanding

30:33 Avoiding Assumptions and Separating Individuals from Beliefs

31:31 The Dangers of Identitarianism and the Need for Open-Mindedness

33:28 Prioritizing Relationships over Winning Debates

34:26 Recognizing Biases and Fostering Understanding

45:48 Bridging Divides for a Healthier Society


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